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Wie die Engländer Voronin sehen

The Kop don’t sing his name

Text: Titus Chalk  Bild: Imago

Hertha vermisst ihn schmerzlich, in Liverpool hat er keine Schnitte. Wie stark ist Andriy Voronin denn nun wirklich? Unser englischer Mitarbeiter Titus Chalk über einen Mann zwischen Bundesliga und Premier League.

Wie die Engländer Voronin sehen - The Kop don’t sing his name


If there is one player who sums up the quality gap between the Premier League and the Bundesliga for English fans, it is the perplexing Andriy Voronin. The dashing Ukraine international with the shampoo advert locks and penchant for denim arrived at Liverpool in 2007 to little fanfare – and other than the occasional howl of derision, has failed to generate any since. The Kop don’t even have a song for him.

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  In his 269 minutes so far this season (two starts, and seven substitute appearances), he has largely failed to sparkle, leaving Reds fans ambivalent: »He was actually one of the better players in the catastrophic defeat against Fulham [Liverpool lost 3-1 last weekend and had two players sent off],« one season ticket holder Dave Cottrell says. »But he doesn’t have the explosive impact to be one of the very best Premier League strikers.« Barry Purchase, another Anfield regular is unequivocal: »Voronin is just not up to Premier League standard. He would struggle to get into most teams. Benitez should have raised some money by selling him.«  

Things had started so well for Voronin. Vital goals against Toulouse and Sunderland in his first few games for Liverpool suggested he might cut the mustard (eine sehr englische Redewendung!) as a squad player. But with a total of only six goals in 36 appearances, even those modest hopes have evaporated and for all his effort, the striker has failed to score this season. “Having gone to Hertha and scored plenty of goals, we thought he would come back in good form,” says Purchase. »But he looks out of his depth. He runs around a lot and looks busy, but there’s no end product.«

»Alert and decisive in front of goal« 

That wasn’t the case at Hertha where his 11 goals last season, helped the Berlin side secure fourth place. Former Hertha stalwart Hanne Weiner describes him as, »Ein sehr ausgeschlafener Stürmer, aufmerksam und gedankschnell vor dem gegnerischen Tor.« – for English readers, »alert and decisive in front of goal.« For any Liverpool fans reading, yes he is talking about the same player, Andrei Woronin as he is known in Germany.  
So where has that killer instinct gone? Weiner says the pace of the Premier League has left him exposed: »In England wird einfach ein besserer Fußball gespielt, das Niveau ist höher. Das Spiel ist schneller, wenn auch nur um Zehntel-Sekunden. Aber diese Unterschiede machen die Qualität eben aus.«  - »In England the football played is simply better, the level is higher. The game is faster, even if only by a tenth of a second. But these little differences can be decisive.«  

It is likely, too, that the striker’s confidence is suffering. »Every striker at Liverpool plays second-fiddle not just to Torres but Steven Gerrard as well, which must be pretty devastating in terms of self-confidence,« says Cottrell. »He's a similar player to Dirk Kuyt in that he needs a long run of games to get match-fit as opposed to top-class Torres who can do it on one leg, practically,« says Cottrell. »Starting occasionally or coming on as a sub here and there is just no good for a player like Voronin, the engine never has long enough to warm up.« A somewhat unsentimental manager, it is unlikely Benitez has put an arm around him either to lift his spirits. And with the current sense of crisis surrounding Liverpool, the scrutiny and pressure Voronin faces on his trips from bench will only grow.  

So what can he do to help himself? Apart from staying behind after training to practice his finishing, there is one thing: »The ponytail,« says Cottrell. »It has to go. I'm sorry, but when the crowd are looking for a scapegoat, this does him no favours whatsover. ‘Voronin, you look like a horse's arse!’ was one recent outburst heard at a game.«  

Hertha fans meanwhile, would love to have him back, ponytail and all, not least tonight against Heerenveen. The problem is, it’s not just Voronin they’re missing from last season, but the likes of Marko Pantelic and Josip Simunic – when it comes to quality, the cupboard is strictly bare. Weiner sees worrying parallels with the Hertha side he played in, in 1979: »Das erinnert mich an 1979, als nach der Saison Erich Beer, Norbert Nigbur und ich aus Berlin weggingen und während der neuen Spielzeit noch Uwe Kliemann, Michael Sziedat und Jürgen Milewski den Verein verließen. So viele gute gestandene Spieler kann man auf einen Schlag eben schwer ersetzen. In der Saison 1979/80 ist Hertha dann abgestiegen.« – a successful side lost its key players, and the following season were relegated. A glance to the bottom of the table and it is all too clear that this year’s side are hurtling towards the same fate.  

Which makes my trip to the Olympiastadion for a potential six-pointer at the weekend all the more interesting! Actually, what should make it very interesting is being in with the 1. FC Köln fans in the away end, who my chaperone for the day Sebastian promises me are some of the best in the business. I’m not sure what I’m letting myself in for (apart from copious amounts of beer and several laps of the Ringbahn), but Schlachtenbummler is my favourite German word so far and I’m thoroughly looking forward to it. Los jetzt!  


Thanks to Alex Raack for sparing Hanne Weiner my broken German and to all of you who have read this far in English!  




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  • 05.11.2009 11:44:07 Tomasz

    When Liverpool signed Voronin, I was extremely surprised. And I remember that I have told Liverpool fans who asked me about his qualities that he is not up to their standards. And I think that Voronin was mostly used as a sub in his last season at Leverkusen (behind Gekas and Kiessling). So I wasn`t surprised at all that he didn`t cut it. But last season he managed to score 11 goals at Hertha at a side which lacked quality in all departments but somehow managed to win 1-0 in every 2nd game...I don`t think Benitez thought that Voronin was now ready for the Reds - it`s just that he couldn`t find any buyer within the Bundesliga who was ready to sign him. Hence, I think the bashing of the Bundesliga by means of finger pointing at Voronin is a little bit out of place. In the end, you get what you pay for - and by signing Voronin and Degen for free and Kyrgiakos for 3 million €, Liverpool has shown that they have serious financial restrains.

    There is also an opposite example: Roque Santa Cruz. He played aweful at Bayern scoring 5 goals per season and was considered a Bundesliga flop. Then, he went to Blackburn scored 18 goals (?) and become rookie of the season and was now signed by City. From a German point of view, his success in England is also very hard to believe.

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  • 05.11.2009 11:53:37 pandrodor

    I agree with Tomasz. Its not like Vornin was the franchise of the Bundesliga. He was a decent forward but certainly not one of the best.

    So you cant compare the Bundesliga and Premier League like that. Even if the best german players would fail that woulndt mean anything.

    And i dont want to go in that "Premier league is the best league in world" discussion because it would be too long. To make it short: The Bundesliga doesnt need to hide. Its an interesting championship with amazing fans and stadiums/arenas. (And we dont have shitloads of debts :) Sorry, i had to mention that.)

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  • 05.11.2009 11:59:19 Titus Chalk

    @Tomasz: It's true that when a player arrives on a free transfer as Voronin did, fans shouldn't expect too much. And he certainly isn't Rafa's only dubious signing. Hopefully, I'm not 'bashing' the Bundesliga - just trying to express that Liverpool fans were genuinely surprised he did well - and were willing to give him another chance to impress (which he failed to take again last night against Lyon). I hope I've also tried to express in the article that it wouldn't be easy for anyone getting compared to Torres all the time and that must be affecting his morale.

    Your counter-example is very true. Didn't Santa Cruz have a reputation for being always injured at Bayern? When fit, he has definitely shown what he can do.

    On a side note: Santa Cruz made a great first impression in England!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ70eBxi8mM

    Thanks for reading Tomasz.

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  • 05.11.2009 12:21:34 Tomasz

    @Titus Chalk:

    No, I didn`t want to accuse you of Bundesliga bashing. I already knew about the general opinion among Liverpool fans regarding Voronin. You wrote an excellent and very interesting (for people who didn`t know of Voronin`s standing in England yet - probably the majority of German football fans) article !

    It is true that Santa Cruz was frequently injured at Bayern. And yet, when he was fit, he didn`t seem too convincing. And his last season at Bayern was atrocious. Just read "the Honigsteins 2007":


    Worst player

    Roque Santa Cruz. Dangerous like a toothless tigress, pacy like a Fiat Punto with flat tyres, strong-willed and powerful like a stoned earthworm.

    Best raver's ponytail

    Leverkusen's Andriy Voronin, not the answer to Liverpool's problems next season.


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2007/jun/05/i tsthehonigsteins2007

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  • 05.11.2009 12:37:02 Tomasz

    And, by the way, I do think that Roque Santa Cruz is a very talented player. I just wanted to portrait the impression he has made on many German football fans/ Bayern supporters. I just think that Roque`s decision to go to a lesser club (Blackburn from a Bayern point of view) was the right decision for him and I am not sure, Roque would have been as successful if he had joined Liverpool or Manchester United from Bayern. You can see players who struggle when they move to a bigger club within the Bundesliga on a regular basis. Hertha`s Wichniarek comes to mind who scored regularly for Arminia Bielefeld but seems out of depth at Hertha -the same applies to Gomez so far. Hence, I am not sure whether Voronin wouldn`t be more successful at a smaller club in the PL. On evidence from his performances at the Kop this might seem unlikely, but who knows...

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  • 05.11.2009 12:59:01 Ripuli

    The transfer policy of Rafa Benitez seems to be a bit awkward anyways. I wonder how many Bundesliga matches his scouts do actually watch before they recommend him a player... For me, Woronin is the classic example of a lone striker who excels when playing for a rather defensive team, and I doubt that he would be a regular for Bayern, Bremen or Wolfsburg. He obviously can't stand a chance against Fernando Torres, but he couldn't either against Klose, Pizarro or Dzeko - at least in my opinion.

    Far more ridiculous, however, was the signing of Philipp Degen. Here in Dortmund, everybody seemed rather glad that his contract was running out, as he was mostly remembered for constantly being injured and grinning stupidly after every goal against. The fact that he was signed by Liverpool afterwards is widely considered to be our second most inexplicable transfer ever (number one being David Odonkor and his transfer to Betis Sevilla for 7 million euros, but that is an entirely different story).

    So could it be that English team managers tend to pay to little attention to the day-to-day events in the Bundesliga, and maybe let themselves be influenced too much by the impression a player gives when playing for his national team? Otherwise, transfers like Degen will always remain a mystery to me...

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  • 05.11.2009 12:59:26 Titus Chalk

    Einverstand: vielliecht ist er ein 'confidence player', der mußt jeder Wochenende spielen. Aber, als ich das einen Fan von Liverpool gefragt habe, hat er mir gesagt, dass Voronin ist nach allem 30 Jahren alt, und sollt Erfahrung genung haben seine Entäuschung zu überstehen. :/

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  • 05.11.2009 12:59:54 ColePorter

    Erstaunlich, kaum ist ein englischer Journalist da und schon reden alle englisch. ;)

    So, jetzt mal alle Artikel bitte übersetzen hier. ;)

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  • 05.11.2009 14:15:48 Titus Chalk

    @Ripuli: sorry we must have posted at the same time - didn't see your comments when I wrote the last thing.

    I didn't know Degen was already a laughing stock BEFORE he got to Liverpool! But then Rafa does seem to love a dodgy full-back... :)

    There's probably a logistics issue involved - obviously, it's easier to watch young players at a tournament for their country, than regularly for their clubs. And that's what makes the difference I guess when it comes to successful scouting networks. You probably couldn't imagine Arsene Wenger only watching young players when they play for their country..

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  • 05.11.2009 14:17:05 Ozzy233

    Ich sag nur Christopher Samba, Steven Pienaar, Uwe Rösler usw...allesamt bundesligauntauglich! In England auf einmal gefeierte Helden. Die Big four aus der Liga mögen besser sein als die Buli (dank über ne Millarde Euro Schulden), aber ansonsten ist die Liga doch unter der Buli anzusiedeln!

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  • 05.11.2009 14:19:10 ColePorter

    Im Schnitt halte ich die Bundesliga auch für stärker...
    Wenn man teilweise die Spiele zwischen Tabellenkeller-Nachbarn der Premier League verfolgt, da denkt man, da könne auch ein deutscher Zweitligist locker mitzocken...

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  • 05.11.2009 14:29:56 MarcRamone

    To me this article was a nice insight of how the british see the Bundesliga with this particular example. The opinion of Liverpool fans on the Voronin issue is just one example beyond others I think so and that in both directions: good and bad.

    I´d like to read more like this.

    If you are going to "enjoy" that game Hertha BSC vs. 1. FC Köln please do not equalize the quality of that game as a regular german Bundesliga standard! Its 18th vs. 15th!!! Keep this in mind, please:-) It´s a Kellerduell.

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  • 05.11.2009 14:34:08 xburnx

    ColePorter is an alias for Guido Westerwelle, i guess...

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  • 05.11.2009 14:35:57 MarcRamone

    Premier League Platz 1 bis 5 ist zu stark für deutsche Bundesliga Clubs, aber bei allen anderen Teams kann die Bundesliga qualitativ auch gut mitreden. Da stimme ich zu.

    Ich habe gestern teilweise das Spiel West Ham United gegen Aston Villa gesehen und fand es qualitativ auch nicht besser als in der Bundesliga.

    Nur, die Spielweise ist anders. Der Drang zum Tor ist größer (the goal fever (?) is more present) und es wird risikoreicher gespielt, wie ich finde und risikoreiches Spiel wird akzeptiert. Das bedeutet, auch Fehler werden akzeptiert. In Deutschland wird immer auf Sicherheit gespielt, weil jeder Fehler gleich kritisiert wird.

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  • 05.11.2009 14:36:19 saloth sar

    oder einer der nicht meint, er mjuesse tol toll sein englisch hier unter beweis stellen

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  • 05.11.2009 14:37:26 MarcRamone

    @ xburnx : I was thinking on that name too...:-)

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  • 05.11.2009 14:41:45 ColePorter

    Wann lädt 11Freunde denn mal einen finnischen oder georgischen Journalisten ein?

    Irgendwie ist diese Anbiederung doch sehr süß...aber ernster nehmen muss ich die Jungs jetzt ja aufgrund ihrer Sprachtalente ja nu nich, oder?

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  • 05.11.2009 14:43:57 saloth sar

    ne, brauchste nicht. ist auch nicht so sonderlich talentiert. meine kollegen haben ziemlich geschmunzelt

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  • 05.11.2009 15:52:09 kwasimodo

    hello all,

    a bit off-topic but here're some british opinions on german football:

    LinkLink

    cheers,
    kwasi

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  • 05.11.2009 17:06:00 CoachD

    Voronin? Da fällt mir nur ein alter Kalauer zu ein --> Suche Mann mit Pferdeschwanz. Frisur egal.

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  • 05.11.2009 17:16:27 Eisgold

    immer wieder schön, vor Augen geführt zu bekommen, wie rudimentär die eigenen Englischkenntnisse inzwischen sind. Ohne Leo wär das kein Spaß gewesen.

    Die Sache ist einfach: Liverpool tauscht in der Winterpause Voronin gegen Bogavac bei den 05ern. Boga kann zwar auch nix, hat aber zumindest keinen Pferdeschwanz. Damit ist doch allen gedient.

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  • 05.11.2009 20:06:18 Süüdkurvä

    from my swiss point of view, i can confirm that even in his homecountry there was quite some disbelief to hear degen would be playing at liverpool (which, after all, he didn't do so often, also due to several injuries). there are certainly better swiss players out there...

    meanwhile, it really is an interesting topic to compare how players get along in the different leagues... i'm not sure hitzelsperger has made the same impact in stuttgart as he did with aston villa... he seemed to score much more often before.

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  • 05.11.2009 20:15:53 Veltinsbauch Eufi

    "Die Big four aus der Liga mögen besser sein als die Buli (dank über ne Millarde Euro Schulden), aber ansonsten ist die Liga doch unter der Buli anzusiedeln!"

    Für mich absoluter Quatsch. Tottenham, Man City und Aston Villa sind auch starke Teams, die in der Bundesliga ne gute Rolle spielen würden, wenn sie denn mitspielten.

    Zur Stärke der Premier League hab ich gerade, als ich nach Hause kam, folgendes gelesen: Fulham führt beim AS Rom mit 1:0 zur Halbzeit.

    Die Bundesliga ist wahrlich nicht schlecht und für mich auch die drittbeste Liga in Europa, aber besser als die Premier League ist sie aus objektiver Sicht nicht. Nicht in der Spitze und auch nicht in der Breite.

    Warum sonst würde ich Sonntagmorgens immer um 8 Uhr aufstehen, um mir die Wiederholung von Match of the Day bei BBC 1 anzuschauen ? Um mir Mittelmaß reinzuziehen ?

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  • 05.11.2009 21:00:19 einrudithömmes

    Werden wir das je erfahren? Einzig der Endstand der Roma gegen Fulham, der zumindest steht objektiv fest.

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  • 05.11.2009 21:29:15 herthamaxe

    jaaaaaaaaa. hertha will definately swing u next sunday!!!
    soooviel angestauter frust!

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  • 06.11.2009 10:48:06 Schwatte

    from my swiss point of view, i can confirm that even in his homecountry there was quite some disbelief to hear degen would be playing at liverpool [...]. there are certainly better swiss players out there...

    I love the memory of Pascal Zuberbühler... ;-)

    Anyway, when Voronin played at Leverkusen I thought he was kind of a "Knipser" (goalgetter) and was not too happy that he left for Liverpool. Nevertheless, already in summer 2007 I did not believe he would make his way at Anfield Road.

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  • 06.11.2009 12:34:16 SVNiederemmel

    Klar kommt die Hertha am Sonntag! Jetzt wo King Arthur endlich angekommen ist...
    Zur Premier League; die Clubs die "normal" wirtschaften sind nicht wirklich besser als die BuLi. Sonst kann ich auch gleich sagen, Martins und Owen steigen mit Newcastle in England ab und hier würden sie fast überall Stamm spielen...

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  • 06.11.2009 15:21:31 SaschaD

    @CoachD: Sehr jut! Hast den nun von mir oder von Kallefuchs?
    Gruß nach Montpellier

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  • 06.11.2009 15:27:35 monssolis

    Warum sonst würde ich Sonntagmorgens immer um 8 Uhr aufstehen, um mir die Wiederholung von Match of the Day bei BBC 1 anzuschauen ? Um mir Mittelmaß reinzuziehen ?

    So eine Steilvorlage, ERT, und du lässt dein gutes Herz obsiegen. Du bist eine Pussy!

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  • 06.11.2009 23:11:14 Süüdkurvä

    memory? zubi ist noch aktiv - und zwar in england, bei fulham... obwohl er zugegebenermassen selten spielt. aber sein alter spezi roy hodgson (ex nati-coach) mag ihn wohl als spassvogel... er ist nämlich ungeachtet seiner torwarttechnischen schwächen (jaja) ein cooler typ! (das finde ich aber erst, seit er nicht mehr das nati-tor hütet ;-))

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  • 07.11.2009 15:08:49 CoachD

    @Sascha D: Der ist natürlich von Kallefuchs. Dem Dribbel- und Kalauerkönig des Nordens. Jetzt hammers. Gruss ins village de renard.

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